open letter to Stewart Butterfield of flickr
read HERE...
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UPDATE: it was never responded to
Labels: flickr, psych, PTSD, shame, silence, the corporate states of america, truth, you have no rights
posted by dysamoria at
4:34 AM
Wednesday, September 05, 2007
read HERE...
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UPDATE: it was never responded to
52 Comments:
jace,
you couldn't have expressed yourself better or more clearly. i hope you get the resolution you seek.
BTW- "honest by compulsion"- boy isn't that the damn truth for you and me, baby! that's me to a T.
I await the reply with genuine interest.
Good luck, jace.
I'm glad you are able to see everything in a slightly different light now. I have attempted to contact Flickr 3 times now and have received nothing more than an automated response.
In my stream, I have posted a picture which is an actual comment made by Sewell as vwsp1ke. A comment that clearly violates the TOU, I'm sure.
Adam - I have NEVER posted as vwsp1ke, he or she was responsible for splitting up Paige and I. You assume much. I trust you have proof that will stand up to legal scrutiny regarding that accusation?!
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Dave. Stop. Please.
Why are you even here?
Oh. Duh. We all blocked your ass on Flickr. Can't quit the stalking, can you?
Jace--I think your reply will fall on deaf ears. After glancing at Stewarts profile, it seems he stays away from flickr issues as much as possible.
Adam - I do not like being openly accused of being a sociopath by a self-confessed high funtioning autistic. If my name kerps getting banded around in this guys blog then of course I will reply. As for you all blocking my ass, Paige just fav'ed one of my pics.
an unsolicited outside perspective (you can tell me to shut up any time, but i doubt i'll post about this again anyway)...
...we all know jace to be a kind creature. we know that he isn't inclined to go out and FIND someone to argue with. we know that he MUST stand up for himself and speak out against anything resembling oppression.
we know that dave has feelings, and for some reason he feels wronged too. and you can see how much Paige's 'fav' meant to dave. which means that he desperately wants to belong (to the human race? the flickr race?) which means that he is human, just as the rest of you (us) are.
everyone should probably just understand that, yes... very bad behavior has occurred, feelings have been very hurt, and tempers are very flared; and nothing anyone says or does is going to make it 'better'. worse? yes. better? not likely at all. each party feels as wronged and righteous and justified as the other party.
to use a 'natural' analogy... there's been a wolf fight. flying fur, teeth bared, skin shredded, wounds inflicted. no one wants to back down for fear that the other will close in for the kill.
the fight will last to the death of one combatant (or both) unless each wolf starts to back away...back away...growl a little...keep an eye on the other...piss on a tree...piss all over the boundary...and leave the vicinity.
each wolf must then respect the marked boundaries and never venture into each other's territory again.
wild animals know how to do this. know that this is necessary for survival. the human animal does not seem to know this as well.
you can say "HE started it" or "it was unfair" or "i didn't do anything nearly as bad as HE did", but no matter how true that all may be we know there will be no apologies. we know there will be no 'satisfaction'. and you know what... we know that some guy half way around the world (or even next door) pushing buttons on his key board is essentially a non-factor in REAL life. the amount of power a person has over your life, in this type of situation, is in direct proportion to how much power you allow them to have.
i know that there will likely be negations to my post. people will give reasons why this battle just CAN'T come to an end. but this is how i see it and i stand by it.
...and, i'm done...thanks for reading!
With all due respect, tara, you have to know and understand all of the details. You do not. Paige's "fav" means nothing to Dave. She appreciates talent, and saw something in a photograph of his. He uses it as an excuse to stalk and to continue to insinuate himself where he is not wanted. Did you see my mention of the fact that we have all blocked him?
The battle ended, and he is continuing it by appearing here. He has left negative comments on our photos. We have not done this to him.
He will deny this, of course. This is part of the problems he deals with. Words are used for convenience and to manipulate. In his case, pictures are used the same way.
Tara, I encourage you to give your full trust and faith to Dave. Please. Do that. One day, raise a question about his behavior and see what sort of reaction you get. He leaves a trail of pain and hurt in his wake. You will never understand until you are part of it.
And here.. with the "I never posted as vwsp1ke.. that's just a flat out lie.
Please tara.. get close to him.. I encourage it...
in agreement with Adam, and with respect, Tara, you do not know what type of person you're dealing with in Dave Sewell.
(Sewell doesn't know what he's dealing with in me, either, since he seems to have made the assumption that "high functioning autistic" means "stupid" ... i'll bring out the research citations some other time).
i do not, however, encourage you to get close to sewell as Adam has. i understand Adam's intent and i think he's right, but it's not worth the potential suffering. You're a kind, generous, giving, spiritual person who wishes to see all things be more or less equal and peaceful; this is exactly the kind of target sociopaths are most successful with and interested in.
As for the lie about Dave never posting as vwsp1ke... well, reality says differently and anyone with sensible pattern recognition skills can recognize the truth after they've seen vwsp1ke "follow Dave around" wherever he wages his unnecessary battles. Yes, i know this is what we refer to as "circumstantial evidence" but there are also cases in which we can call things "overwhelming circumstantial evidence."
Since Dave or flickr (i suspect not) finally deleted that account, i can't suggest anyone investigate it, but it had no photos and no contacts. It only came out to play when Dave was baiting his victims and trying to cause general distrust and chaos between those who tried to stand firm against him. How cute that Dave had attributed it to an entity that "split up he and Paige."
If you truly believe that, Dave... well, as extremely rare as it is, you might want to ask your psychiatrist about multiple personality disorder, as well as sociopathy.
Oh heck, if we're all REALLY lucky, you just have a REALLY bad case of BPD and someone skilled and knowledgeable about the borderline personality can help you find your way back to being a member of society.
...And okay, fine, one citation for you:
"Virtually all children, adolescents and adults with Asperger's Syndrome have strengths and abilities that tend to contradict the impression of a person with 'impairment.' Some of these can actually be seen as aspects of the syndrome itself, whereas others are best understood in the context of each individual's unique personality. Many with the syndrome have good or even superior intelligence." ... "Special areas of expertise are quite common..."
- A Guide to Asperger Syndrome, by Christopher Gillberg.
It's linked on the side of my blog.
Now go run out there and grab the book, Dave, so you can misquote it and pull phrases out of context in an attempt to discredit/hurt me. Hurry up!
i don't have motivation to spent time scanning my neuropsych testing results which might give validity to my abilities with pattern recognition (they told me i am better than 80% of the population and i was kind of embarrassed and in shock - some proof that there's something GOOD about me? WOW!).
sorry, forgot the page number:
Page 64, chapter 8 "Strengths."
This same chapter also talks about one of my other traits: eidetic memory (page 66).
It's a fantastic book.
In fact, i'm pretty sure that many sociopaths and Borderline Personality Disorder "victims" have neurology somewhat similar to that of the autistic neurology. A lot of the low-functioning and childhood traits are similar as well as some of the higher-functioning traits (sociopaths are very good at using language and "reasoning" to manipulate the perceptions of others).
If you want key traits of sociopaths, read "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, PhD. It's very accessible and VERY accurate. It should be required reading for timid and kind people.
i wont quote from it for the moment because i'm freakin' hungry.
Dysamoria - I have noticed that vwsp1ke has been deleted. I have no idea what led to the account deletion as I it had nothing to do with me. All I see are accusations again with no evidence save that of the circumstantial.
Sorry I forgot the whole world is full of "people like me" or are out to get you.
If you had not declared me a Sociopath I would have been happy to see you leave flickr; however, the fact that you have defined me as such gives me the right to defend myself in my books.
Maybe you could try to get me banned from here?
Adam – Do you realise that Paige was planning OUR wedding?
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Dave, Dave, Dave...
Maybe you should take some more pictures of your cat. It seems to be the only friend you have.
Too bad about your plans, huh?
Adam, Adam, Adam, "Too bad about your plans, huh?" LMFAO.
I seem to remember telling you I felt sorry for you for being hooked up with her. Talk about a "Bunny Boiler".
I don't pictures of the roof of my house, does that mean it doesn't have one? Also learn to count.
Not only are you a poor troll, sewell, you can't spell or type for shit (not sure which one it is). What exactly do your sentences mean, anyway?
"If you had not declared me a Sociopath I would have been happy to see you leave flickr;"
Um, what? i really don't understand this part at all. Remember, YOU started this whole thing by kicking me out of a group (which you probably invited me to after i commented positively on some of your images) just because you wanted revenge against Paige.
"I don't pictures of the roof of my house, does that mean it doesn't have one? Also learn to count."
You don't [WHAT?] pictures of the roof of your house? Improper use of a comma instead of a semi-colon or period.
Dude, forget counting: learn some language skills.
"Sorry I forgot the whole world is full of "people like me" or are out to get you."
Huh? The first idea in that compound sentence seems to be okay, but your use of "or" just destroys the sentence's ability to convey any certain meaning at all.
" however, the fact that you have defined me as such gives me the right to defend myself in my books."
What books? Maybe you can translate this into "i spent some time thinking out the sentences and vocabulary"-speak for those of us who aren't you. Is that just a mangled "in my book" cliche or are you now telling us that you're an author?
"How much everyone who's not me is lame and why i'm not a sociopath" by Dave Sewell and his barrister (that was clever, btw, using "She" instead of "He" when you referred to your barrister the second time... sadly, i can see you plotting even these little details).
Either way, your comments are poorly thought out, spelled and structured. They are largely supported by boomerang catch phrases and nouns from things we've said about you, passive-aggressive threats, insults, self-contradiction, made up terminology and generally come across as being what they are: lame and stale bait that you've used before.
Poor Dave is acting in his own self defense? Yeah, maybe against my definition of your most prominent personality disorder (demonstrated by you so often as to be nigh humourous). i've yet to see you set any examples for NOT being a sociopath, and i clearly have more education on these topics than yourself. Did you get the book yet that i've been recommending to people? i'm sure you can misquote and throw bits at people out of context and pretend to be the opposite of what Dr. Stout describes... It will be fun to see you boomerang her text...
It doesn't matter what you claim about being on the defense. The fact is, everyone has seen with their own eyes that you're the original instigator of ALL that has gone on. Even prior to harassing me, and lying about it, people knew what you were. Your clumsy retaliation in childish "oh yeah, well i'll do that to YOU TOO" foot stomping was a dead giveaway. The fact that you lied about it, and everything afterward just adds icing to the shitcake of your unofficial diagnosis. The more you say, the more clinical attributes you demonstrate. The more you say, the more convoluted it all gets and the harder you have to grip and grab at things to keep your little reality distortion field from collapsing.
And still you CONTINUE it as if you're going to accomplish something, throwing passive-aggressive legal mumbo jumbo around to pretend you have some backing, or a reason why we should fear you (other than your anti-social behavior in general), demanding evidence without ever providing any...
oh this is stupid. i'm just repeating my own self at this point. You're not just a sociopath who lies without conscience, you're also childish and boring. i'm guessing that you had divorced parents, no father or mother, or both and were either a bully who was previously bullied or just bored and selfish in general.
As for your anti-Paige statements... dude, pick a position and stick with it. You're like a house of waffles. One minute you claim some kind of bond to her and the next minute you claim to have "known all along" what to hate about her.
"I seem to remember telling you I felt sorry for you for being hooked up with her. Talk about a "Bunny Boiler"."
1. Bait.
2. Self contradiction.
3. Projection.
blah blah blah... i'm even boring myself. Go pound sand in your own sandbox. You know, flickr. They seem to like you enough to do your bidding. Go play with your camera, make some pictures and find some contacts that you haven't yet made into enemies.
[sigh]
anyway, i've screen captured your comments, as usual, in case your so-called regret or remorse deletes them again...
jace.
Don't forget.. regret and remorse are not in his limited dictionary. Wait. I can tell by his posts he doesn't own a dictionary. Never mind. (grin)
As always, you put things so much more eloquently than I do. Dave is like a little yappy dog that does nothing but bark to get your attention. If he doesn't get it, he pees or craps on the rug. Dave has messed in his own house and is trying his best to make everyone else step in it.
Not satisfied with you being off Flickr, he now has to follow us all here so he can continue to yap incessantly.
If he realizes how much we all support and care for each other, maybe he'll give up and go find something else to occupy his time. I'm sure there is something shiny lying about.
"Remember, YOU started this whole thing by kicking me out of a group (which you probably invited me to after i commented positively on some of your images) just because you wanted revenge against Paige."
So being kicked out of a group warrants this much attention and time? One can only conclude that it must have been a truly important group to you. Most rational people would have said "stuff you" and left it at that as I did when I was removed from a group by my Ex-Girlfriend.
dave,
If that is how you feel, why are you here posting? You should take your own advice and "rationally" move on then. Exactly what are you looking to prove? Seems with your words here, you are only proving that Jace is right. Or perhaps as previously mentioned, you desire personal contact and attention. Even negative attention is better than none for some.
Christine,
I hope you have some idea exactly how incredibly insightful you are.
Christine - How would you feel if you were fully named and declared a Sociopath or a Psychopath or a Whore on the internet? Not by somebody with the documented / certified ability to make that diagnosis by rather by somebody who believes that a vast portion of the world are “out to get him”
In response to your question, angelfishsolo: I personally do not make rude remarks on other people's streams or blogs. For example, I would not post any negative comments on Dave's stream directed towards him or his work. So the likelihood of being labeled as such, for me personally isn't a threat. However, if someone did make these comments about me, I would calmly defend myself without blaming others. I take responsibility for my words and my actions. As far as what anyone else does, I cannot take responsibility for it. I will speak the truth as I see it. If I am wrong then hopefully someone will kindly enlighten me. Regardless of the reality about Dave, I am not devoid of sympathy for him. I find it sad when people are unable to see the negative effect they have on other people's lives forcing others to cut off contact with them.
Here's a real shocker for you, Christine. Dave is angelfish. Amongst his other problems is an inability to define himself.
Thanks Adam, I was able to figure this out earlier today. I feel drained from so much negative energy abounding, not from you though. However, it does not change what I have said. Although, knowing it is Dave now, I would like to add something. Perhaps labeling your behavior is better than labeling you, Dave. I would say based on other's experience with you including Jace, your behavior resembles that of a sociopath. I do not think one has to be certified to make this analysis. However, perhaps you ought to seek further professional analysis to document the possibility. By the way, it is really necessary to hide your identity to engage others in conversation?
Adam Said: "If he realizes how much we all support and care for each other, maybe he'll give up and go find something else to occupy his time."
In my fantasy world, sewell would learn from this experience that people CAN support and care for each other. Especially the non-fictitious ones.
Posting as "Dave" and then "Angelfishsolo" could be either a casual change in profile settings or an attempt to make it look like there are people rallying for sewell. i'm generous enough to have looked at the profiles and they're one and the same, so he's not vwsp1ke-ing us again in this case.
Either way, i agree with Christine when she suggests that dave ought take responsibility for his own actions. How's that for a lesson?
And i will admit another thing that Christine and dave have stated in combined posts (sorry to suggest that was teamwork, Christine, hah):
Dave (as angelfishsolo) said: "How would you feel if you were fully named and declared a Sociopath or a Psychopath or a Whore on the internet?"
Sociopath, yes. Psychopath, no. There's a fine but clear distinction between the two, even though the DSM does not like to currently deal with that distinction (which is a terrible disservice to those it is supposed to assist).
i never called you a psychopath. Not once. People make the assumption that a sociopath and a psychopath are the same things. i take issue with people throwing the term "psycho" around so freely because they do not know what they are saying. (i even correct myself when using it carelessly in a glib manner).
Have you killed people?
Besides that difference, you have clearly demonstrated caring about what others think of you. Psychopaths do not care about that. They don't need to. They are already self assured. You also have demonstrated your willingness to play the system against itself to protect yourself from being seen as a rule breaker (lies not withstanding). Psychopaths do not care. They know the rules, laws, societal norms, but they willfully break them because they believe they are above them or are too perfect to be caught or too righteous to be caught. This is why sociopaths are more dangerous to society than psychopaths: psychopaths get themselves noticed MUCH more often and are filtered from society MUCH more often.
"Whore?"
Where did that one come from? i never called you a whore. i think you're going for either shock value or something you can address to a female, seeking a direct connection to an existing insecurity. Much like selecting a jury, you're looking to generate sympathetic responses by using words with heavy emotional content. The fact is, most people do not know what a sociopath IS, less are aware of them. Most people don't know what a psychopath is other than "crazy and dangerous." Most people DO know what a "whore" is.
i would go so far as to suggest that you also used the word because it comes naturally to you, being quick to anger and all that. i suspect that having called people whore before, yourself, makes the word more forefront in your personal lexicon when dealing with females. This encourages me to again ask about your parents. Did your mother "leave" in some way when you were young?
i admit, i am exploring on this one (the reason for the word whore being brought up). You have some misogynist behaviors in your flickr history, but they're not as clear to me from first hand experience as the actions that call you out as being sociopathic. If you hadn't cleaned up the evidence, i could go check but... i assume the rude comments you made in your flickr photo tags (or other people's photos).
Here's something you should seriously consider: if you have continuously experienced problems maintaining relationships (especially with women), you should consider that a large part of the contribution to the problem comes from you, yourself. i have done so in regards to my own experiences and actions. i discovered my sensitivities and my differences and learned to work with them and with other people to avoid the replication of the same failures. Sometimes it's better to just say "stuff it" and walk off, like you suggest i should have done (why haven't you, by the way?).
Dave continued:
" Not by somebody with the documented / certified ability to make that diagnosis by rather by somebody who believes that a vast portion of the world are “out to get him”"
1. i should not have declared you to BE a sociopath. i should have declared your ACTIONS to be like those of a sociopath and SUGGESTED you MAY BE a sociopath. i admit my mistake. Legalese aside, i find there is little difference between someone who is certified to make the assessment and someone who COULD be certified to make the statement but is not. i'm not interested in examining or arguing the semantics, but i accept my choice of words was incorrect. i cannot declare you to BE a sociopath, but i can indeed suggest that you might be and tell people that i THINK you are a sociopath. i've already been up and down the creek with paddled and without where legalese is concerned in the area of "defamation," so don't waste your time or money there. i had a much clearer cut case of it at my workplace and without scads of money, there was no one to take such a case. i know the UK is more active about workplace harassment, but defamation is pretty much the same.
2. And anyway, the patterns fit. "The shoe fits." You demonstrate it. You walk it. You wear it proudly (in the self-absorbed-with-self-hate sort of way that you do). You just demonstrate how accurate my observations are with each thing you do and say.
3. Where exactly did i declare that a vast portion of the world is out to get me? Do your homework. Some proper research will demonstrate that i exist outside the established and expected "norms" and this has placed me into a social minority that has no protected class status but is documented as being subjected to intimidation, abuse, social/neurological racism, harassment, malpractice, and a general negative world view by "the majority."
They're not ALL out to get me. They simply are mostly ignorantly harming me. Some of them ARE out to get me. Like my sociopathic former boss, who behaves very similarly to you. Insecurities, needing to make the world see what he wants it to see, self hatred but no accountability, no empathy for others, intolerant of diversity while making wildly public and awkwardly forced statements designed to generate the opposite view (because he knows what he is and he needs to hide it), etc.
YOU, however, ARE out to get me. That much is certain. Sociopaths are inherently insecure, paranoid, self absorbed and dreadfully needful of a feeling of power over others. The category of people i fit into is a known category of favourite victims for the category of people YOU continue to demonstrate belonging to: sociopaths.
Dave said (as dave):
"So being kicked out of a group warrants this much attention and time?"
No, THAT act, those that lead UP TO it, AND your actions FROM THAT POINT ON are what warrants this much attention and time. You are doing a typical sociopathic behavior right here: you are trying to remove your actions from their contextual history and trying to get people to look only at one item as if it were an isolated event. It is anything BUT.
From where i sit, it seems you thought you were just doing a little "turnabout is fair play" and that there would be no consequences. (this was not fair play, by the way)
When you then took to avoiding even CONVERSING about the banning, so you could avoid admitting it was YOU who did it (and to avoid being caught out as a LIAR) by blocking me... (putting fingers in your ears and humming)... it had exactly the effect you didn't want: it proved you were the one who kicked me out, that there was no justifiable reason (even to you) and that you were/are a LIAR and not to be trusted at your word.
Dave continued:
"One can only conclude that it must have been a truly important group to you."
We've already been there. You threw a rock at a quiet nest of honey bees, Dave. That nest didn't even think about you. You brought yourself this trouble. That group was less important to me than the anti-social acts YOU committed by banning me, lying to me and blocking me. When i realized it was a retaliatory action on your part, against someone who ISN'T EVEN ME, that's when the hive took an aggressive defensive mindset. You defined yourself as what you are. i only gave it a label.
And to follow the analogy i defined for myself to its rational conclusion, by attempting to defend the hive with my only stinger, i lost it all. The stinger stuck on the corkboard of flickr, and i bled to death. Hooray for Dave. But you couldn't stop there, could you Dave? No, following the established traits of sociopathy, you seem to require my utter obliteration, at least in the minds of others and in "public opinion," (the unbearable insecurity you must have) so you continue to throw stones, even when so many of them are hitting you in the face.
Dave continued:
" Most rational people would have said "stuff you" and left it at that as I did when I was removed from a group by my Ex-Girlfriend."
Oh Man, you should NOT be talking about what "most rational people" would have, should have, could have done. You are not even in the runner's up category for rational thinking.
1. Most RATIONAL people would not have kicked a stranger from a group in order to harass an ex-girlfriend.
2. Most RATIONAL people do not set up fictitious entities (such as vwsp1ke) to play bait and harassment tricks against those viewed as "the enemy."
3. Most RATIONAL people do not take up the position of "enemy" with ex-girlfriends, seeking to harass them and their associates/peers/friends.
4. Most RATIONAL people think about what they are doing before they do it and consider their actions and the consequences before carrying them out. If they fuck up, it's now and then and it's truly of a "aw shit, i didn't mean it to work out that way and i'm very sorry" kind of way. NOT an excuse for each and every time they get CAUGHT and outed.
5. Most RATIONAL people do not throw boomerang words or phrases at people without doing the research about those words and phrases first to make sure they're not demonstrating the "i know you are but what am i" behavior common to anti-social personality disorders... and children. It's not just unwise, it's childish and immature.
6. Most RATIONAL people are able to take their lumps when they've made a mistake and handle the actual discussion of those mistakes and actions.
7. Most RATIONAL people do not plot and scheme against others out of fear of being seen as less-than.
8. Most RATIONAL people apologize for their mistakes. False apologies are phrases that use language to distance one's self so much from the actual events as to negate the entire purpose of an apology.
9. Most RATIONAL people are not so afraid of the judgment of others that they are willing to go on anti-social abuse campaigns against people and any they associate with.
10. Most RATIONAL people will try to ensure that they are not making wild typos and contradicting themselves within the span of one short reflexive KICK posting and then again in another, and again in another, and another...
Shall i go on?
You're not paying attention anyway.
At least i'm exercising my reasoning and typing skills.
i forgot one very severe inconsistency in your "most rational people" complaint:
You (Mr Dave Sewell, aka Angelfishsolo) said:
"Most rational people would have said "stuff you" and left it at that as I did when I was removed from a group by my Ex-Girlfriend."
Maybe you did say "stuff you," but you quite flagrantly did NOT leave it at that. You instigated unwarranted REVENGE. Not directly against your Ex-Girlfriend (why the capitals, i don't know), but in a passive-aggressive and deniable manner: you did a "two wrongs must make a right" kind of action. You set upon me, a stranger to you, but a flickr friend to "your Ex-Girlfriend."
If YOU, DAVE, had actually really "LEFT IT AT THAT," there would be a lot less of what you have blogged as "chaos" than there currently is.
So, right back at you again and by your very own hands. Again.
sigh.
i really really recommend that you take a VERY serious look at the potential that YOU have a very serious social problem that needs help. You're not helping yourself by continuing this pointless crusade to "defend yourself" and nail me, or best me at some game of superior ethics or knowledge (good luck; it's just not that important to me and i'm far better at it when calm than you are.. and my ire is now pretty much focused at flickr now that i understand you for what you are).
jesus, this comment area is almost as long as my blog. that can't be a good sign. :-p
Life is sweet :D
Mr(?) Sewell, Dave, Angelfishsolo and what ever other guises you take, You gor him off flickr for whatever purpose, now go back to the hole you call Wales and leave the guy alone. You have your own stuff to deal with why antagonize someone who has as many or more difficulties as yourself? And Jace,although Flickr is "the" place to be it is not the only place ou can express your art, and I really don't understand why you can't take another account when so many other do so at their whims and delete them as easily. Dave, don't know you, have no wish to know you but truly, it's time you bugger off to where ever you came from and let things lie now. Jace has the right to protest what you've done. You have made your point, there's nothing left to kill, and blogs btw are personal opinion. What, you won't stop till he has no blog either? or is it that he has a girlfriend and you don't? Get over it, get a life. You are not welcome here.
Dee - Don't talk with your mouthfull it's rude.
Jace,
I am glad that you responded to angelfishsolo's (aka Dave) comment, as some of it was directed to you. Thanks for clearing up the distinctions between the different types of disorders mentioned. I personally know them, this is why I referred to the behavior of Dave as sociopathic. However, seeing that he continues to post here, I am wondering if your other comment about him possibly being just a deeply entrenched borderline may be more correct. As for the whore comment, looking back on it perhaps it was directed at me. Say what you will Dave, as mentioned to you previously, you only make yourself look worst in the eyes of everyone. Jace, as you are well informed on the subject of disorders, I believe if taken to heart, Dave is well advised now to seek help.
Everyone here that knows you Jace, realizes that you wouldn't intend harm to another person with your words. I respect you because you stand up for the truth in different instances where most in this world seem to choose image over truth. I believe this is why sociopath's are so successful in convincing others that they are in the correct position. This is also why we now find them rising to positions of authority in society. Unfortunately, the people that speak the truth are often ousted from their positions. I surmise a lot of people with their heads in the sand think, "Surely this person speaking from their heart with passionate conviction must be mad." I know you will not be deterred come what may and obviously, you have a lot of support. I hope you get the resolution you ought to receive and are reinstated with Flickr.
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Mr(?) Sewell, Dave, Angelfishsolo and what ever other guises you take,
Excuse me, but I don't talk with my mouth full thank you very much. My mother taught me manners unlike yourself.
And I meant exactly what I said, bugger off to that hole of yours and leave Jace be. That's exactly where trolls live you know, underground,where they should be.
You got what you wanted, what you won't stop till he's dead? or maybe that's your point.
And as for you being called a socio path.... if it walks like a duck, is shaped like a duck and quacks like a duck, it sure isn't a cow is it????
Autistics for the most part are painfully honest, lying is not part of their personal make-up. I should know, I have a lot of experience with it.
Dave's last two comments were so ineffectual and devoid of meaning (even less than usual)... i think he's losing interest.
But, just so everyone knows... his little "it's not really all my fault" posting at his "me too" blog had a comment posted on it by me. i knew it would get deleted because i further demonstrated his lack of understanding of things, so i bring it to you here as yet another example of this wannabe intellectual called Dave Sewell. His blog is called "Less than Angelic Thoughts" (believe it or not)
First, Dave's blog entry:
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Friday, September 7, 2007
Chaos Theory
From one small action a cascade of chaos can occur. Take for example the action of an individual being banned from a photographic group. A small and insignificant event one might think; however this is the result. http://www.dysamoria.com/blog/
Posted by AngelFishSolo at 9:44 AM 0 comments
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Now my deleted response:
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dysamoria said...
But this is not chaos. Defining an act and its consequences as "chaos" is a fine way of trying to elude responsibility, and i see it plenty.
The fact is, Dave, you made a choice. It was maybe in haste. It was maybe poorly considered. It was maybe regrettable on your part. No matter what, though, you ACTIVELY CHOSE to initiate this sequence of events.
You should be pleased with the final results. Most rational people (to borrow your phrase used against me) would take the whole situation as a win. You not only banned me from a group in order to annoy someone specific, you DID annoy them. Better yet, for you, you triggered me; i became caught up in such a reflexive attempt at self-defense and the defense of your primary target that flickr deleted my account.
This isn't chaos. This isn't even close to chaos theory. Do research. Chaos theory is more about mathematical systems within systems within systems than about trying to offload the responsibility for your actions.
Human beings' most significant trait that is supposed to set them above the other animals is the ability to REASON and consider cause and effect.
You initiated an action that had consequences. You used the sensitivities of others against them. You lied. You misrepresented yourself. Most of all, you chose to make an arbitrary attack on someone who was a complete stranger to you in order to personally hurt someone that you now view as an enemy.
This isn't chaos. It's a chain of events set in motion by YOUR chosen actions.
Chaos theory is actually a demonstration of how chaos is actually the same kind of cause and effect that i discussed above. Chaos theory is meant to educate that nothing is random and everything has causes and effects. It is like the oft misquoted quantum physics super-position analogy called "Schrödinger's cat." The name and the shallow understanding of the concept become more popular than the true understanding of the actual concepts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat
Wikipedia is rather questionable in my mind, but there's a funny drawing on there.
But the one we're concerned about here is Chaos Theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
To quote:
"...the behavior of chaotic systems appears to be random, because of an exponential growth of errors in the initial conditions. This happens even though these systems are deterministic in the sense that their future dynamics are well defined by their initial conditions, and with no random elements involved."
September 8, 2007 10:59 PM
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notice the only deletions ever made here or on my now extinct photostream have been by the authors (such as Dave). i don't censor. Dave has so wonderfully demonstrated an obsessive need to control perceptions and change his personal reality as it suits him. This is more than censorship and it is certainly not regret.
oh, and just in case those little childish comments to Dee get deleted by Dave, i thought i would add them to the posting that has all the other screenshots of his childishness and rudeness.
Dee, the reason his comments were that lame, i suspect, is that he has no idea who you are (and therefore has no personal shit to dig up on you, but don't worry he'll be doing that right now just so he can throw sharper insults next time) AND, because he's clearly not accomplishing anything here but making himself look like an ass. i expect he knows it, but posted them in haste because he cannot help himself and must always get a word in, even if it makes no sense, has no point for existing and makes himself look like ... well, what we all have seen thus far.
again the prediction of dave's actions holds true... but there are records, so no loss.
I'm pretty much sure that there's nothing really bad he can dig on me. And if he does so what, my life is pretty open. I don't do bad things so I don't have the problems to clean up later on, you know? I blocked Dave long before I posted here because I knew once I did that I would be opening a can of putrid worms. He reminds me of Mr. Boogey in The Nightmare Before Christmas, appears to be one thing outside, but rotten and full of bugs on the inside. I can't really understand why someone would take such delight in taking away someone's coping strategy. Perhapsin not needing one himself, he delights in making others miserable. Pretty sick outlook to me.
Jace, I don't have anything to add to this fascinating coversation. I'm just keep holding on to hope that flickr will reinstate you. I just wanted to comment that your observations and insights about people's behavior and their meaning continue to astound me. These two, in particular hit home for me:
"you are trying to remove your actions from their contextual history and trying to get people to look only at one item as if it were an isolated event. It is anything BUT."
"8. Most RATIONAL people apologize for their mistakes. False apologies are phrases that use language to distance one's self so much from the actual events as to negate the entire purpose of an apology."
Wow.
Everyone can feel better now.
Dave has turned his obsession towards me.. yaaay!
some relevant conversation links, relating to censorship, between a flickr member and a flickr staff person. i hope i got the links in order, but you can just read straight down from the first "permalink" (a guy, ironically, named Dave):
Here 1...
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i saw them before i was deleted. i looked them up again to use as evidence that their staff has on other occasions overstepped their boundaries... notice how the thread gets closed... the flickr staff member was called out for her behavior and she redirected it into ending the thread before it gets out of hand...
(the staff members involved in the previous exchange are George and Heather)
and HERE is the link to the public note from Stewart Butterfield about that specific incident where i got those comments from...
i have not received any response from flickr as of this moment. i said i wanted a reply between 3 and 5 days (assuming business days), so i'm not going to pound out another message or such just yet.
i also note that dave sewell's blog is gone. one whole post and one deleted comment. that's a short life-span for a blog.
formerly at http://lessthanangelicthoughts.blogspot.com
and now a lonely 404 error message is served up.
Seems an abandoned attempt at building an image for himself. Too quick and not willing to reveal what he does not understand, especially in a public forum where he cannot complain to an authority when someone shows him how they feel about his behavior.
Without the blog, it seems to me he's trying something else: Dave has been showcasing some rather excellent photos on his flickr photostream.
One of them used to point to his enemies by name, including me, but it seems he was warned into changing the content.
They are very good photos, and it's nice to see he has cats that he seems to enjoy (and they seem to enjoy him, which is a good sign), but i just wanted to mention, just because of his leftover implications in text on a photo of himself smiling...
Being a sociopath has nothing to do with not smiling. Most of the notorious sociopaths/psychopaths you can research about were/are actually quite good at public image management. This includes smiling, talking to people, and even being charming and funny.
My former boss certainly had me charmed. i thought he was extremely knowledgeable, skilled, helpful and had a great sense of humour.
That sense of humour had degraded over the years between my first time working with him as a supervisor, and my last. It used to be more like my own sense of humour. That quirkiness that is often associated to people with AS, once they've been identified as having it, of course, and their friends and family get to talking and reading books...
It is, in my somewhat educated opinion, not at all true that a sociopath is BORN. No one is BORN a sociopath, from my experiences (this excludes experience with people who have had physical neurological damage in-utero or at/around birth by something like impact, disease or oxygen starvation).
i believe sociopaths are made: they are self-made after their BPD and related conflicts/issues is either unresolved or "they resolve" to take what they want from life, disregarding others.
Some of them truly believe in their own distortions. It drives them a little "freaky" when you demonstrate the irrationality of their distorted thinking (which is nothing compared to what BPD and sociopathic people do to other people by so FIRMLY BELIEVING and DEFENDING that irrationality without LOOKING at it).
Anyway, for what it's worth, dave sewell, i never disliked your photos, i had no reason to dislike you until YOU brought your hate campaign to me, and i STILL like your photographic skill. Since i can no longer comment on flickr, and you'd not be likely, i.m.o., to allow my comments to stay in your photostream after deleting your only blog reader who responded to you...
i think your photos demonstrate a couple of interesting things:
1. you seem visually attracted to shapes, lines, forms, the combination of those, as well as the creation of form by combination and subtraction of things.
2. you seem to document these things rather well with cameras.
These two items above are no surprise to me, given my assumptions about the origin of sociopathy and BPD being neurologically similar to autism, if not actual high functioning autism itself.
3. it feels to me there is something missing from your photographic documentation. i believe it is the following traits: honesty (for obvious reasons), vibrancy (not just in colour but in life and perception) and personal involvement with the subject matter.
Number 3, here, can also be considered a likely set of observations about an autistic... My ex-nonwife's photos were similar in their sterility sometimes and a haughty art-house lady once declared that "she clearly did these for assignments. these photos show no voice."
My ex is an excellent photographer. Her photos became more vibrant when she became more vibrant.
Also, the assumption of flatness is common when people talk about autistics, sometimes accurate and sometimes not. Like for me, i cannot write music at this time because i can't stop being so linear and sterile with it. Common traits when you get technology focused.
When driven to emotional extremes, many autistics have found their outlet in art.
Many people who have BPD have creative sides that are quite notable, (such as one of my former companions)... but the more "assured of themselves on the outside" these people become, and the more sociopathic their overall behavior becomes, the more distant their work becomes with little to no emotional vibrancy and expression of emotion (other than anger), and far fewer "meaningful" photos of and with other people.
(still, some people just don't do "people shots" so you can't rely on only one of these observations at a time)
i notice, dave, that your photos have been talking about nightmares. i have nightmares. Brought on by PTSD, brought on by the abuse by my sociopathic boss and backed by a lifetime of emotional abuse by those who are unsympathetic to differences, unwilling to accept differences exist, or are just plain bullies/cruel.
i also notice that you talk about fearing a return to drinking. My former boss was self-described as doing nothing with himself when he leaves work other than sitting in front of the TV and drinking. You're doing better than he, simply because you ARE taking photos. Or, if these are mostly old photos and you're not currently taking new ones, you are still busying yourself with an activity that can be social and expressive if allowed.
All that said: i personally would find more interest in your photography if you used it to document those nightmares and what caused them and the drinking. You might come out much further ahead, in the long run, than my ex-boss is likely to do. A person who will not be honest with themselves will never be honest with others, and visa versa.
Lastly, being part of the group 365 is a great opportunity for self-reflection. i highly recommend and encourage it. i just think you should try being more introspective with them, shooting for your inner self, and not to satisfy the task of a-self-portrait-a-day. Don't mechanically go through the motions of doing something that resembles life activities like my ex-boss. Take the opportunity to grow from it.
The best example of this that i have yet seen (of using 365 really well for personal exploration and communication) was Sascha Assbach on flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/people/assbach
Sascha has since abandoned flickr for two reasons: censorship (the whole fiasco with Yahoo censoring Germany) and sickos going after his family photos. but his page is still there and it still directs you to where he went (where i am considering going) with his photos.
that's all for now.
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Jace. Thank you so very much for your critique of my photography and the analysis of my psyche.
With your talent for analysis you should be a psychiatrist since you can seemingly identify a sociopath from his choice of 1/ subject matter and 2/ saturation & contrast of the image. That is a rare talent indeed. Remind me what it is you do for a living again?
am i dreaming, or did he finally acknowledge publicly that he (dave) and angelfish solo are one in the same?
huh. screenshot please!
I have never denied that AFS and Dave are the same people. Some of my work on Flickr is signed AFS. I just messed up my blog log-in. Sorry to burst your little bitter bubble
everyone knows what i do for a living, dave. i suffer post traumatic stress disorder, insomnia, and nightmares from the abuse of people who had no reason or right to harass me.
as far as trying to make a pointed attack at my validity as an intelligent and educated human being of value to the work force that mutilated my own psyche, get in line. i have enough proof of my abilities and i don't need to rush around scrambling at every possible tidbit in order to prove myself. nor do i need to make random attacks on people you have friended or have as contacts just because they associate with you... like you did to me.
anyway, i said what i said about you and your photos in sincerity. if you can't take any of the good for what it is, that's a shame.
but notice, once again, i don't censor you here.
and i tend to believe that you never tried to hide that "angelfishsolo" and dave sewell are the same person. But that's about all i believe of the things you have said. That one was part of giving the benefit of the doubt and observing how web technology works (it pisses me off quite a bit, technology).
Can you take the good with the bad or is it always all bad?
oh yeah, forgot the big gaping hole in your sarcasm:
i didn't identify you as likely to be a sociopath via your photos. i identified you via YOUR BEHAVIOR, which is continuous. Such as your attempt to redirect and sway opinions by leaving HUGE gaping holes in your logic as you did above, picking and choosing what information you wish to have in the context instead of THE WHOLE PICTURE (pun not intended, but what the hell...)
bittergirl, btw, has a far more joyful bubble than a bitter one. not that you'd care to know someone before assaulting them. There's no chance of the likes of you, dave, bursting any part of her bubble.
but that was clever of you, i think.
well, no, no it wasn't that clever, actually. it was another quick and easy response that had to have an insult attached. You don't seem to be capable of communication without throwing lame playground insult attempts.
we're all pretty secure here, since we are actually nice to each other and treat each other as we would like to be treated. how about you? is your method working? living a happy life? or just acting out the role via photos and text?
Yes, she was being suspicious of you... you earned it.
i actually thought bitter bubble was pretty funny. at the very least i smirked.
but then again, jace, you're always telling me i'm not as bitter as i think i am. as evidenced by my compulsive use of smileys, hugs and smooches, only occasionally punctated by a BAH or WTF.
seriously, you totally come off to me as being a lot more positive minded than myself. I'M bitter... trust me ;)
i wonder what mr. sewell does for a living.
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